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	<title>Comments on: Midnight&#8217;s Children vs The Tin Drum: Why Salman Rushdie owes a huge debt to Günter Grass</title>
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		<title>By: fdantia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When i first read midnight&#039;s children back in the early 80&#039;s I was most impressed by the structure of the novel.  Later, when I read the Tin Drum, I was stunned by how much Rushdie had &quot;borrowed&quot; from it. The magical child, the change in the child&#039;s power midway through the book, even details like the lover hiding under a woman&#039;skirt, and also the seemingly brilliant black and green passage, all appear in the Gunter Grass novel.  Yes, he transformed the context to the subcontinent, but that was a grafting of new flesh onto old bones.  Creative, yes, (and I still love the book); but he should have been more explicit in acknowledging his debt to Grass.  I&#039;m surprised more has not been made of this.  Everyone these days screams about &quot;plagarism&quot;at the drop of a hat, but this hat has had a pretty long ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When i first read midnight&#8217;s children back in the early 80&#8217;s I was most impressed by the structure of the novel.  Later, when I read the Tin Drum, I was stunned by how much Rushdie had &#8220;borrowed&#8221; from it. The magical child, the change in the child&#8217;s power midway through the book, even details like the lover hiding under a woman&#8217;skirt, and also the seemingly brilliant black and green passage, all appear in the Gunter Grass novel.  Yes, he transformed the context to the subcontinent, but that was a grafting of new flesh onto old bones.  Creative, yes, (and I still love the book); but he should have been more explicit in acknowledging his debt to Grass.  I&#8217;m surprised more has not been made of this.  Everyone these days screams about &#8220;plagarism&#8221;at the drop of a hat, but this hat has had a pretty long ride.</p>
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		<title>By: moejay</title>
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		<dc:creator>moejay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>god!!!! whats with the religion thing with the above commenters......
get a life people....
 i think they did both a good job!!!! and thats that....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>god!!!! whats with the religion thing with the above commenters&#8230;&#8230;<br />
get a life people&#8230;.<br />
 i think they did both a good job!!!! and thats that&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: seandodson</title>
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		<dc:creator>seandodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 10:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it was just a long time since i read the novel. I don&#039;t think the faiths are interchangeable. I still think he borrowed the architecture of Grass&#039;s book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it was just a long time since i read the novel. I don&#8217;t think the faiths are interchangeable. I still think he borrowed the architecture of Grass&#8217;s book.</p>
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		<title>By: Alberto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alberto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your take on this is interesting, although I don&#039;t necessarily see the usefulness in finding out who invented magic realism and then assign to that writer the most supreme value. As mj has pointed out, Grass himself wasn&#039;t free from the legacies of previous authors, and his fiction displays affinities with previous magic realist texts.

I find Midnight&#039;s Children (and Rushdie&#039;s writing overall) to be nothing but a joyous and generous admission of the important role played by the literary legacies of previous authors. And he makes this quite blatant. Trying to ascertain the value of his work in terms of originality is in a way undermining what he is trying to do: he&#039;s reassessing Indian colonial and postcolonial history in a way nobody had done before. The elements borrowed from previous writers (Grass, Kafka, Forster, Kipling, Marquez) are all there, but despite his willing engagement with previous texts, he&#039;s ultimately doing his own thing.

Perhaps the key to appreciating Rushdie is to recognise that, beyond his sources, he has many things to say about his chosen topics. In Midnight&#039;s Children, Saleem is a Muslim, although his constantly debated parenthood links him to Hinduism and Christianity. (This is in itself a deliberate attempt at portraying the religious complexities of the country.) But Saleem self-identifies as Muslim, and is therefore part of a cultural minority in India, which is key to his character. The fact that you find the Hindu and Muslim faiths interchangeable possibly means (and I apologise in advance for making a strong point here) that you haven&#039;t engaged that much with the content of Rushdie&#039;s novel and have remained in the surface of form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your take on this is interesting, although I don&#8217;t necessarily see the usefulness in finding out who invented magic realism and then assign to that writer the most supreme value. As mj has pointed out, Grass himself wasn&#8217;t free from the legacies of previous authors, and his fiction displays affinities with previous magic realist texts.</p>
<p>I find Midnight&#8217;s Children (and Rushdie&#8217;s writing overall) to be nothing but a joyous and generous admission of the important role played by the literary legacies of previous authors. And he makes this quite blatant. Trying to ascertain the value of his work in terms of originality is in a way undermining what he is trying to do: he&#8217;s reassessing Indian colonial and postcolonial history in a way nobody had done before. The elements borrowed from previous writers (Grass, Kafka, Forster, Kipling, Marquez) are all there, but despite his willing engagement with previous texts, he&#8217;s ultimately doing his own thing.</p>
<p>Perhaps the key to appreciating Rushdie is to recognise that, beyond his sources, he has many things to say about his chosen topics. In Midnight&#8217;s Children, Saleem is a Muslim, although his constantly debated parenthood links him to Hinduism and Christianity. (This is in itself a deliberate attempt at portraying the religious complexities of the country.) But Saleem self-identifies as Muslim, and is therefore part of a cultural minority in India, which is key to his character. The fact that you find the Hindu and Muslim faiths interchangeable possibly means (and I apologise in advance for making a strong point here) that you haven&#8217;t engaged that much with the content of Rushdie&#8217;s novel and have remained in the surface of form.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
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		<dc:creator>mj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the problem with the british and colonial writing is that it tends to borrow, and then forget. Yes, midnight&#039;s children owesa lot to tin drum, and rushdie, to be fair, has himself said that he learnt from tin drum. But remember, the granda of all is not Grass, but Borges, who, in a far better, meticulous, and artisitc way, produced the first actually magical realitic texts. 
The broblem with magical realism of rushdie is, that it it too easy to costruct. It need nothing, not even a lyrical prose - it is a torrent gush, untamed, and stupid at most times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the problem with the british and colonial writing is that it tends to borrow, and then forget. Yes, midnight&#8217;s children owesa lot to tin drum, and rushdie, to be fair, has himself said that he learnt from tin drum. But remember, the granda of all is not Grass, but Borges, who, in a far better, meticulous, and artisitc way, produced the first actually magical realitic texts.<br />
The broblem with magical realism of rushdie is, that it it too easy to costruct. It need nothing, not even a lyrical prose &#8211; it is a torrent gush, untamed, and stupid at most times.</p>
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		<title>By: Everyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muslim</description>
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		<title>By: seandodson</title>
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		<dc:creator>seandodson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really? Are you sure If not Hindu what was he then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really? Are you sure If not Hindu what was he then?</p>
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		<title>By: Tanisha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saleem is not Hindu in Midnight&#039;s Children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saleem is not Hindu in Midnight&#8217;s Children.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 11:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t recall (6) in the text of Midnight&#039;s Children.  The child swapping would fit, though, as both children have the blood of two political universes, and both are raised by a parent who isn&#039;t necessarily his birth parent.  I would say the clarity of the child swapping is analogous to the ambiguity in the Grass work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t recall (6) in the text of Midnight&#8217;s Children.  The child swapping would fit, though, as both children have the blood of two political universes, and both are raised by a parent who isn&#8217;t necessarily his birth parent.  I would say the clarity of the child swapping is analogous to the ambiguity in the Grass work.</p>
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